SUBJECT: "The Administration's Proposed Bail-out for Russia" hearing before the House Science Committee, October 7, 1998
MEMBERS PRESENT: Sensenbrenner, Rohrabacher, Brown, Morella, Gordon, Calvert, Roemer, Ehlers, Johnson, Weldon, Lee, Salmon, Luther, Davis, Etheridge, Gutknecht, Lampson, Foley, Lee, Pickering, Sherman, Brady
WITNESSES: Daniel Goldin, NASA Administrator; Jay Chabrow, CAV Task Force Chairman; Professor Judyth Twigg, Virginia Commonwealth Univ.; and James Oberg, consultant and author
This standing-room-only hearing, lasting
almost three hours, was the latest in the series of International
Space Station (ISS) hearings that House Science Committee Chairman
Sensenbrenner has called this year. The focus was stated as addressing
the following four issues: 1) the status of Russia's ability to
meet its obligations to the ISS partnership under the Intergovernmental
Agreement; 2) NASA's plan to provide the Russian Space Agency
(RSA) with $660 million over the next four years to enable RSA
to meet its obligations to the ISS partnership; 3) the foreign
policy ramifications of Russia's failure to meet its obligations
and the potential consequences of renegotiating the Intergovernmental
Agreement; and, 4) the Administration's schedule for deciding
how to resolve these problems. However, much of the discussion
dealt with the absence of two invited witnesses, OMB Director
Jacob Lew and Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott, and the
seeming lack of support for the ISS program by the Administration.
Questions also focused on the Russians' ability to perform, even
if NASA's plan to reallocate $60 million from FY98 uncosted carryover
for the purchase of Russian research time and stowage goes forward.
Although Chairman Sensenbrenner and Speaker Gingrich signed joint
letters to Mr. Talbott and Mr. Lew indicating they could not support
NASA's request unless they appeared at the hearing, approval for
the purchase is expected to be forthcoming from the Appropriations
Committee.
Opening Statements
Chairman Sensenbrenner opened the hearing
by reminding the Committee that at the beginning of the 105th
Congressional session, Congress had given NASA the requested funds
for an Interim Control Module to serve as an insurance policy
against the possibility that the Service Module might be delayed
past its April 1998 launch date, and that not only was the Service
Module launch delayed, but the situation is worsening. He attacked
the Administration for "
not hav(ing) the courtesy or
the courage to be up front and honest with the American people
about the cost of this bailout
.It is not a mere coincidence
that the Administration waited until the last and busiest week
of this Congress to propose another bailout of Russia."
He warned that if middle ground is not reached with the White
House soon, he intends to work with other members of the Committee
and the Congress in drafting legislation to introduce in the next
Congress that will "put an end to this problem, one way or
the other."
Ranking Minority Member Brown stated
that he continues to agree to a large extent with the Chairman,
but not as strongly. He also reminded the Committee that Mr.
Talbott was Acting Secretary of State while Secretary Albright
is on a peacekeeping mission in the Middle East and that he is
devoting his attention to the developing crisis in Kosovo. He
yielded to Congressman Roemer, who reiterated his arguments from
previous hearings advocating canceling the ISS in order "to
save NASA from itself."
Mr. Goldin began witness testimony by
stating that the RSA continues to have a very difficult time fulfilling
its obligations to the ISS Program, not due to technical capability
or competence, but because RSA is dependent upon an unstable government
in an unstable economy. However, this does not mean giving up
on Russia's very valuable participation in the program, he said,
and that the Program is go for launch in November and December
this year. He gave an overview of the recent General Designers
Review in Russia that Associate Administrator for Space Flight
Joe Rothenberg and his team participated in and described NASA's
contingency plans which are already underway, as well as the proposed
change in the operating plan that would provide immediate funds
to the RSA.
Mr. Jay Chabrow, Chairman of the Cost
Assessment and Validation Task Force, testified that without near-term
Russian participation, "the cost to assemble the ISS would
easily exceed the CAV Task Force projection." Russia's failure
to provide on schedule critical capabilities, including propulsion,
command and control, crew habitability, and crew return, makes
it apparent, he stated, that the U.S. should be developing its
own capabilities. However, because a U.S. propulsion module could
not be made available for three to four years, continued Russian
involvement is still required, at least in the near term. Mr.
Chabrow supported NASA's approach because of the negative consequences
of doing otherwise. He suggested the Committee look at the past
performance of the RSA and other Russian contractors when they
were provided adequate levels of funding. He stated his strong
concerns that NASA has not initiated the procurement of long lead
items for a propulsion module, claiming that it should be one
of the highest priority items in the Agency. Mr. Chabrow also
pointed out that while the Russian situation is getting the most
attention, there are still challenges in the U.S., specifically
the U.S. Laboratory and development and production of the Crew
Return Vehicle.
Professor Twigg focused her testimony
on the state of the Russian Space Program, the health of its aerospace
industry, and its ability to meet its obligations to the ISS program.
She claimed that the events of the last decade "have produced
degradation of both operational and industrial capability to the
point that even a substantial infusion of new funding could not
renew previous levels of activity in the short or medium term
.(M)oney
is a necessary but not a sufficient short-term fix." She
cited two reasons for this: the departure of key scientific and
technical personnel, and the ongoing decay of Russia's material
infrastructure, exacerbating the problem of the basic level of
technological sophistication of the Russian space industry. Professor
Twigg testified that modernization programs that would make Russia
competitive with other space-faring nations are scarce and frequently
unsuccessful. "Russia is very close to becoming nothing
but a contractor for other countries' space programs," she
stated. This trend will make it increasingly difficult for Russia
to meet its obligations even to paying customers, or to partners
in international cooperative space endeavors.
Mr. Oberg compared the Russian space
industry to top athletes who had spent the past ten years in the
Gulag, having been starved, beaten, and cowed by their environment.
They survived, but cannot be brought back, fed a good meal, and
then expected to compete in the Olympics. The situation with
the space industry is systemic, rather than due to the current
economic crisis. He referred to serious attempts being made by
the Russians to find funding to continue Mir, which would leave
none of their meager production of support spacecraft for the
ISS. Mr. Oberg claimed that the Space Station's "ducks aren't
in a row and they don't stay in a row." He questioned the
measurement of completion that NASA uses, stating that weight
of hardware doesn't answer at what stage of development software
is in, if NASA is using weight to measure completion. He stated
that the Service Module development should be compared to the
unsuccessful MARS-96 Probe rather than the successful FGB. He
also brought photographs of the "notorious houses for the
cosmonauts in Star City" that he had wanted to give to Mr.
Lew, and presented them to the Committee.
Questions and Answers
Mr. Sensenbrenner opened the questioning
period by referring to an internal NASA memo dated September 24,
1998 (see attached) obtained by the Committee, which states, "To
cover the Russian economic situation, the Space Station Program
Office is also going to provide Russia with about $660 million
over the next four years. Code M management has decided that
the entire fiscal year 1999 installment of $150 million will come
out of the fiscal 1999 research program." Mr. Goldin responded
that the $150 million per year figure was a placeholder figure
developed by the NASA ISS team; it is an assessment, the final
number could be more or less. The research program, he stated,
is fully funded, phasing in the research facilities so that they
will be delivered when the on-orbit facility resources are available.
The Chairman then held up a June 22, 1994 letter from the President
assuring him that the Russians would not be on the critical path,
asking Mr. Goldin if he had been given White House direction to
put the Russians on the critical path or if someone at NASA had
made that decision. Mr. Goldin replied that he did not recall
any such direction from the White House but rather NASA had presented
plans and did not receive funding, and so was working with the
resources available.
Congressman Roemer questioned Mr. Chabrow
on the difference between the projected cost overrun at the time
of the Task Force's report and today, which Mr. Chabrow stated
is $23 million more a month, including the projected $660 million
to $1.2 billion additional funds that will be requested in the
coming four years.
Congressman Weldon reiterated his strong
support for the ISS program, but remains critical of having the
Russians in the critical path. He submitted for the record a
Washington Times article which was based on a Center for
Strategic and International Studies' report on "subsidizing
the Cleptocracy," and asked if the White House was aware
of the billions of dollars a month supposedly being funneled out
of Russia. Mr. Goldin responded that he wasn't aware of what
Mr. Talbott or Mr. Lew knew but that NASA negotiated for very
specific activities and got value for its money. He said there
are fifty identified milestones for the recently signed protocol;
twenty of them are for the Service Module and thirty are for the
Soyuz and Progress vehicles. He also described the doubling
of research time and the critical stowage space NASA would receive
for the $60 million, pointing out that here we get the quid pro
quo that the Chairman indicated in previous hearings that he wanted
to see.
Congressman Gordon and other members
focused on the point at which the ISS program became too expensive
and should be terminated. Mr. Goldin reminded the Committee that
$40 billion had been cut out of NASA's five year budget. "I
would say this Program will have to be terminated unless there
is some commitment by this government that says we have to put
the money into the Space Station that it needs," he declared.
"If we don't get the resources that we need that outside
experts have testified to, that my own NASA people have assessed,
then and only then would I say let's terminate it
.We have
to face up to the costs that we are talking about
.because
we are destroying good work by terrific people." He also
pointed out that some of the requested funds is not going to Russia
but rather will go to U.S.-build equipment needed for a more robust
station. Mr. Goldin stated that he had been given assurances
by the Administration that consideration will be given to the
request for these funds.
Congressman Brown suggested that "
maybe
you or I, or both of us, are going to have to resign to call attention
to the need for that additional
$40 billion which has been
cut from the NASA budget over this period of time." The
Administrator answered, "I have thought of resignation.
I won't because I am committed to this Country and this Program."
Mr. Brown also suggested that some members of Congress might
be "a little bit happier" if they could see that the
Russians were suffering the consequences of their lack of performance.
Mr. Goldin answered that he believed "that when someone
is in trouble you do not extract blood from them
you encourage
them to perform."
Congressman Rohrabacher's questions
focused on NASA's contracting arrangement with the RSA rather
than going directly to Russian industry, stating that there is
evidence suggesting that the Russian government is transferring
rocket technology to hostile powers. Because NASA is a civil
space program, the Administrator referred the broader question
relating to U.S-Russian relations to the State department. The
Chairman added that he reserves the right to subpoena Mr. Talbott
if he consistently refuses to testify.
Congresswoman Eddie Bernice Johnson,
who was later seconded by Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee, took
exception to the timing of the letters sent to Mr. Talbott and
Mr. Lew, indicating that they are dated October 2nd,
and could not have been received until the day before the hearing.
This, she stated, is unfair due to their extremely busy schedules.
Mr. Sensenbrenner submitted for the record communications on
September 28th between his staff and theirs indicating
they would be invited to testify on October 7th. She
then asked Mr. Goldin about Mr. Oberg's statement in his testimony
about a "Russia Access Tax," to which the Administrator
said he had no idea what was being referred to and took "personal
affront on every NASA employee at the tone with which Mr. Oberg
has stated" his remarks. Mr. Oberg explained that he used
the term "Russia Access Tax" to describe the performance
penalty paid to get into a 52 degree inclination, which was chosen
so that the Russians would be able to reach it. This causes a
loss of approximately twelve thousand pounds of payload each flight
due to the additional fuel required, he said, "
which
means that every fourth Shuttle flight to the orbit that we're
building the Station in
is only required
(to make
it) accessible to the Russians." "I am not insulting
anyone's integrity," he claimed. "I am
criticizing
the full disclosure of the bookkeeping
" since those
costs are reflected in the Shuttle, not the Station, budget.
Congresswoman Morella asked specific questions about the protocol milestones for which Mr. Rothenberg was brought forward to the witness table. He testified that specific milestones have been identified and RSA has promised NASA access to the subcontractors. He acknowledged that initially funds would have to be provided before a milestone had been met, but that future funds could be delayed until those milestones had been achieved.
Congresswoman Jackson Lee focused on
the capabilities of the Russians to fulfill the type of work required,
which Mr. Goldin assured her they are fully capable of performing
if the appropriate funding is available. She then asked Mr. Chabrow
if it would be more costly to "throw the Russians aside"
and try to complete the Space Station without them, to which he
replied yes, it would be much more costly without them.
Congressman Brady provided an opportunity
to Mr. Goldin to clarify his previous statement regarding cancellation
of the Program. He replied, "The priority is not the Russian
pride. The priority is not keeping Russia in the program. The
priority is doing what we say we are going to do, and that is
to get it built
. I was expressing frustration that as we
go through this Program and identify resources we need to do the
right and smart thing, given the pressures that we have on the
budget, they're not available. No, I don't want to see the Space
Station canceled, but as we approach the fiscal 2000 budget process,
given the schedule we have to keep, given the launches we have
to undertake
in some way, shape or form, we are going to
have to face up to finding those monies."
The Chairman asked the witnesses to
discuss other options. Professor Twigg answered that while there
is a significant amount of hardware on the shelf in Russia right
now that works, Russia is unable to draw on new technology or
new research and development. Mr. Chabrow pointed out that nothing
new would be required and that approximately twenty subcontractors
have their hardware completed. "They just can't deliver
it because they haven't been paid," he said.
Congressman Ehlers asked the professor
to respond to the contradiction between her position and Mr. Chabrow's
position. She stated that her comments are in regard to the general
health of the Russian aerospace industry; she does not have access
to all of the detailed information about what Russian contractors
have on the shelf. Mr. Chabrow answered that there is a list
of items in the Service Module citing approximately seventy percent
of the testing is complete. The congressman asked Mr. Chabrow
to provide that list for the record.
Congressman Lampson asked a series of
questions regarding the benefits of the additional research time.
Mr. Goldin explained that NASA will double the number of hours
that astronauts will be available for research, as well as gaining
stowage volume allowing for more efficient use of the research
facilities. He also informed the Committee that NASA is anticipating
adding two additional logistics flights to make the Program more
robust in 1999 and is exploring the possibility of doing research
on those flights. STS-107 is an additional research flight already
scheduled, and others are being considered.
The hearing closed with Congressman
Sensenbrenner saying he hoped future hearings on this subject
would not be needed, although he reserved the right to ask additional
questions.
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